Saturday, February 10, 2007

Material Faith

Originally, I wanted to post something on evolution. I used the example of the eye to show the immense gap between the physical world and the creative potential of a blind chemical process. Although I realized that I need to do a lot more research before I about specific sensory examples. But generally, I wanted to show the huge leap that random variation of DNA would have to make to create the sensory systems of living organisms. The auditory system for example must be specifically tailored to the real physical world before it can give a living organism any survival information. Its many interdependent parts would have had to develop simultaneously to give a creature any sort of survival advantage. The subsequent general idea being that sensory systems have an irreducible complexity wherein if you take one part away then the entire system can no longer function so that a part-by-part evolutionary development would not be possible. But again, this is just a thought experiment because I need to do actual research on the workings and development of sensory systems.

Another side-point I wanted to make is; did random variation, the blind creative force behind evolution, attempt to "reach out" to non-existent things in the physical world before successfully creating any sensory system? Random variation cannot anticipate what is actually in the physical world so, it would seem, it would have to attempt an almost infinite number of variations to "grab a hold" of reality when creating the sensory connections to the physical world.

However, I realized that I was giving evolution far too much ground in placing the point of contention on the development of the senses. If evolution could give rise to organisms that could acquire senses then evolution might be able to create the connections between those creatures and their environment. So, the real point of contention should be the development of life itself. I need to do far more research on this also but, from what I've read, the precariousness and rarity of the chemical processes involved is astounding. And, to me, the amount of complex information existent in DNA screams intelligence.

As a side note:
(Materialism claims that it is a system of thought devoid of faith. It is the worldview that is the basis of all atheistic thought. It's main brainchild is evolution but I see a lot of faith in the gaps of evolution; therefore, I think that it is intellectually dishonest for materialists to argue that their worldview is faith-free.)

One of the main points of this blog is to paint my worldview. And, this is the picture that comes to mind when I read about the complexity of life:
Picture yourself walking alone on the beach. You consider the immensity of the ocean, which pulls your mind to the immensity of universe. You contemplate your place therein and you figure that in the vast expanse of all existence it would be possible for you to be alive no matter how improbable. You think that given enough random chance you could be made by unthinking physical forces. But then you look down and see your name written in the sand. Immediately you look around because you assume someone wrote it. A sentient being with the capacity to string letters together was there and wrote your name. What you do not do is figure that, no matter how improbable, this could have happened randomly given enough chances in a huge universe, you know that such thought is foolish. You do not think that the tide, the movement of hermit crabs and the interaction of water and sand created this ordering of letters that identifies you. In this case, you do not relegate the capacity to produce ordered information to the meanderings of physical forces. So why do so with the astronomically more complex information that manifests life?

Now, your DNA is so amazingly complex that the ordering of those letters actually creates you. It is a bundle of information that even gives you the capacity to see your name in the sand and supplies you with the reasoning to tell you that a person wrote it. It's an identity marker so ineffable and complete that it gives you your physical composition. In a sense, it is your name but a name that contains such virtuosity and complexity that, by it, you are. Given the sheer amount and complexity of information in DNA one could assume that it is actually more probable for your name to randomly occur in sand than for you to be alive to see it. So, why not look at DNA and assume an intelligence was responsible for the writing? DNA is your name in the sand and I think it wise to look around for the Author.

To me, it takes a huge leap of faith (or a blind commitment to materialism and atheism) to assume that an intelligence is not responsible for life. Your thoughts.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Matt,
There is some really good irreducible complexity stuff, over on Mr. John Clayton's website. He has been looking at stuff like this for a long time. It is the Ethereal Sword link on my blog.
"Does God Exist?" is the name of his website. He started the non-profit organization in 1968. Look at this link,
"http://doesgodexist.org/NovDec98/IrreducibleComplexityBloodClotting.html

God bless,
DSM
p.s. On the eternity question, Are you about to say "uncle" or maybe "calf rope", since you are a long horn fan?

Arthur_Vandelay said...

And, to me, the amount of complex information existent in DNA screams intelligence.

This, to me, is the core of the problem with Intelligent Design/Creationism: the argument from personal incredulity. Basically, the argument goes like this: "I cannot conceive of how x could not be the product of an intelligent designer; ergo, x is the product of intelligent design."

To me, it takes a huge leap of faith (or a blind commitment to materialism and atheism) to assume that an intelligence is not responsible for life. Your thoughts.

This is a misrepresentation of the case. Science, by its very nature, is limited to seeking natural explanations for natural phenomena. That an explanation for this or that phenomenon has not been found yet does not rule out the possibility that such an explanation will be discovered in the future; all it means is that the scientific knowledge we have now is not sufficient to provide a satisfactory explanation. So we must continue looking. But there is no leap of faith here--just an admission that, regarding natural phenomena, science doesn't have all the answers. Yet.

What intelligent design advocates seek to do is to abitrarily halt this process. They argue that is a natural explanation is unavailable now, right this minute we must assume supernatural causation by default. That, to me, constitutes a huge leap of faith. Why stop the process of discovery here? On what grounds have you ruled out--not just for today but for eternity--the possibility that a natural explanation will be found eventually?

Should medical researchers cease and desist their endeavours to discover cures for diseases, and ought they to default instead to the notion that diseases have supernatural causes, no natural cures will ever be found, and the best anybody can do is pray?

So, why not look at DNA and assume an intelligence was responsible for the writing? DNA is your name in the sand and I think it wise to look around for the Author.

Because there is no evidence to support such an assumption. Your personal feelings on the matter do not constitute evidence. Nor does an exercise in picking holes in biological evolution--which seems to be the primary preoccupation of intelligent design proponents. And neither does accusing scientists of "blindness" and "atheism" constitute evidence in support of your assumption.

Your assumption, in any case, is based upon a false analogy--that is, you point to an analogy between DNA and written text and assume that since written texts have authors, DNA must have an author too. The purpose of using analogies in science, however, is to make difficult concepts easier to understand--that's all. Comparing DNA to writing makes it easier for us laypeople to get our heads around the concept of DNA. But if you want to say anything further about the comparison, about any other properties that DNA and writing might share, then you need to find supporting evidence. You can't just assume that because DNA and writing share property X, they will share property Y also.

Matt said...

Firstly, I am in no way saying that scientific inquiry should stop. I'm pointing out that there is a belief system out there that isn't science at all but a tangent that veils itself as science. And that tangent is materialism. It is as much based on faith as is theism. It's a faith that says that order can spring from disorder. It's faith that in randomness lies the recipe for life.

Every scientific discovery that shows the universe's logical arrangement reaffirms my belief in an intelligence that is behind it.
In other words, the more the universe appears to have intelligible order the more I will assume that it has a logical, reasonable and intelligent source.

I know my analogy isn't perfect but I'm illustrating that we intuitively know that intelligence creates logical constructs and the universe should not be an exception.

Simply because the universe can be explained through science does not mean that God has been disproved, which is the materialistic/atheistic assumption. Indeed, the opposite is true.

Here's another picture:

Let's say we are made from code in a computer program. We are able to analyze our digital environment to the extent our digital perception allows. We see the logic written into our digital world. But, we do not see the computer programmer from our limited perspective from inside the program. We see the algorithms but not the Author. The code will never fully show us the source of logic, but the fact that the logic is there to be seen (and that it actually created beings to see it) conveys intelligence under every digital rock turned or unturned.

I have faith that the astoundingly systematic universe has an intelligent source and materialists have faith that it does not. And, all faith and assumptions aside, science should only be the study of that system.

Matt said...

DS,

Hey, thanks for the link, I'll look into it. Yeah,for the time being I'm screaming "uncle", "calf rope" (or "muri muri" if you remember some japanese) and anything else that means I just can't do it. With a little research I realized I was echoing some out-dated ideas. Anyway, thanks for stoppin by.

beepbeepitsme said...

You're tagged. ;)

http://beepbeepitsme.blogspot.com/2007/02/jabberwocks-five-quotes.html

Anonymous said...

Matt,
I didn't remember "muri muri", however, I do remember "daka da". Do you ever hear that phrase? Native Japanese speaking people will never notice it unless you point it out to them. You may have even filtered out the phrase, since you've been there for a while. The phrase "daka da" appears to be an unconscious mechanism for time delay in 'thought to oral-verbal construction.' Kind of like when an American English speaker says "uhah" or "uhem" between thoughts. That's just a bit of nostalgia for Japan, coming out.

On the eternity question, I have satisfied my mind with a potential answer. As you know I posted the puzzle on my blog as well, but I'd included a passage from Jeremiah 1:4-5.
* The Lord gave me a message. He said, “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my spokesman to the world.”

As a reader of Jeremiah, I see that to Yahweh, existence is not the being in the physical realm, but rather in the Spirit of thought.
That is to say that God has eternally maintained us in His being, as thought.

We, therefore, did not simply become on the day we were born, but have always been in mind and in thought of our Creator, i.e. we exist and have our being in God, in a more real sense than in the carnal realm of the universe.
Compare this to Acts 17:27-28
* “His purpose in all of this was that the nations should seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him—though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and exist. As one of your own poets says, ‘We are his offspring.’
Thought is real,and it is expressed by the Word. This is how we are eternal and infinite.

God bless,
DSM

Matt said...

DS,

Hmm, after thinking about ''daka da'' for a while the only thing I could come up with is ''dakara'', which means ''so.'' But yeah, they often use it as a delay.

Some delay words without meaning I could think of are: ''eto'', ''ano'' and ''nun-da-ro.'' And, some Japanese follow conjuctions with ''saa'' as in ''demo-saa'' = ''but-uhh''

Thanks for the verses, I probably should have refered the Bible more in my study of eternity instead of philosophy as the Bible offers a more comprehensible and consistent perspective than anything else I read.

An interesting idea I remember reading that I think falls under your idea of a ''theology of nuance'' is the apparent paradox of an eternal, unchanging God that reveals himself in time. In other words, God is, in no way, changing or evolving so everything He is and does was always characteristic of His eternal nature. And, the implications are extraordinary (and riddled with nuance) if it can be said that God's people were in His mind before their birth.

Anonymous said...

Matt,
As you posted on my blog; DS,I have a question. Presumably, God is all that existed before creation, but does that mean that He is transcendent even to eternity? In other words, is eternity itself a creation? It would seem that eternity only has meaning when it is defined in relation to the temporal. But, I guess the distinction to draw is this: is eternity the continuation of time forever or timelessness?

And, on a tangent, if it is said that eternity is an inherent, uncreated quality of God then eternity is actually the innate nature of being.

This may shed light on Christ in that God within His own uncreated nature is eternal life.

To live eternally is the original nature of being and the free gift that God (the great ''I Am'') so desires to give through His Son, which is literally that uncreated eternal life.


Indeed, you have defined some terms and characteristics for God, which I certainly believe and would concur explicitly.
1. Eternity is timelessness!
2. God's nature is Love.
3. God's nature is Timeless.
4. Yes, there will be no need for contemplating "eternity", from the eternal position of the post-physical kingdom of heaven.
5. Yes, there will be no need contemplating "love", from within Him, whom defines love.
6. Yes, the Original is eternal, and was given to the physical as grace with the option of rejecting the eternal and the love.

Furthermore, any who reject the eternal character and the love character (those intrinsic characteristics of God) will be banished from the mind/thoughts of Him, by their very choice of self-will and freewill.

God bless,
DSM

Anonymous said...

Matt,
My understanding of the kingdom of heaven is not, strictly, future tense. When you look at these passages, you see clearly, that Christ saw the Kingdom “close” at hand, when He was preparing to ascend to the cross.

Matthew 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


Luke 11:20-22
20 But if I am casting out demons by the power of God, then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you. 21 For when Satan,* who is completely armed, guards his palace, it is safe—22 until someone who is stronger attacks and overpowers him, strips him of his weapons, and carries off his belongings.

Luke 16:16
16 “Until John the Baptist began to preach, the laws of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. But now the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and eager multitudes are forcing their way in.


Luke 17:20
20And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.


So, my point of the “post-physical kingdom” should be more properly understood as the ultimate culmination of the Kingdom of God.
I fully believe Jesus’ words in Matthew 16:28 that we are “now” citizens of an extant Kingdom.

But, I believe that the kingdom is advancing steadily toward the final day when Jesus calls His Holy Spirit to Himself with all the spirits of humans who trust Jesus. However, the kingdom will not be fully realized until that day.

Perhaps the term “post-physical” should or could be better stated as “super-physical” or “super-natural”. This distinction is important because many in the Christian sphere tend to speak in terms of an “acutely-physical” kingdom rather than a “super-natural” kingdom. This is the point that I want to avoid. I reject the idea of the carnal kingdom, which you have correctly noted as being below what Jesus claimed for His dominion.

I also appreciate how you describe the “reconciliation of physical and spiritual”. I see this as true and look to scriptures such as 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1-6, where there is described a “New heaven and new earth.”

To the timelessness point, I am not sure that we can say that change or flux is ultimately real. I tend to think its appearance is illusive to our physical form and consciousness. And along this line, I also wonder if we are created, but nevertheless pre-existing spirits from before time.

I know that this is only idle speculation, but I consider the possibility that we have been given the free-will or choice of existence in a physical universe with the hope of standing against the adversary and a resultant union with the Creator.

So, there you go. You have some solid scriptural hermeneutic with some wild fantasy conjuring. What more could you want?

God bless,
DSM
p.s. I have launched a new blog, it should prove quite fun. It is in honor of my discourse with Beep!Beep! If you speak with her, I think she will approve. http://homeofmmmdsm.blogspot.com/